by LYNRDSKYNRD Fri May 27, 2011 8:43 am, Post I happen to be one of those people. For the love of goodness gentleman, I wish I didnt have to make this post but Ive seen about 10 on this subject in the past week. Fact is, they are not out just yet - so you probably need a 5.56mm upper for now. Subsonic rounds hold one key advantage, they run really quiet when suppressed. Subsonics cycle with a suppressor almost universally with all barrel makes. Run a pistol-length location gas port (four inches ahead of the chamber area) with a carbine-length (16-inch) barrel. Hopefully, this thread will have a few more good responses and I'll just post a link to this discussion whenever a new 300 owner decides to ruin their barrel. 's blog. We stand behind all our products and were here to support you. That' MjgxYmJjNjRlYjU0NTA4Y2QxZmMxNmNkZjVlOTUzM2M2YzUyYWZkM2E1M2U3 Access features of the Reloading Handbook on your mobile device with the Reloading App. No. Subsonics cycle with a suppressor almost universally with all barrel makes. First, compared to the .223 Remington, you're launching a larger caliber and heavier bullet at supersonic speeds. No it is NOT worth it unless you are going to go shorter than 10.5". 300 Blackout Supersonic vs Subsonic - What is the difference? Just keep in mind, if you are wanting .308 performance.buy a .308. nope. All Rights Reserved. border: 1px solid transparent; ODE1ZDM1NjM4Zjc1Yzg1OGZlODViYzdmMGM1Y2RkZWI1NDVhODQxZjI4YmRl A suppressed supersonic load will have a lot more gas coming back into the action compared to an unsuppressed subsonic load (these two examples are the extremes). MWUwMTJhYWQ1MzViMzNjMzIzMTFmOTIxMWU0NjA0Nzg5ZTIyMTgwNDUwMjg4 Products manufactured by 80% Arms carry a lifetime warranty against manufacturing defects. Re: Is 300BLK worth it in supersonic unsuppressed ONLY appl. ZmUxYmM0MjAwZCIsInNpZ25hdHVyZSI6IjZiNGY3ZjE4ZWI4NWIwNmFlNTli MTYwYjBhYWYzMjliNDdhNjMzYzAyOTM3Njg5MmU1NmYxOGZmYTY2NGU5NjE4 MmI2MDAzY2VkZmQ4MzZiZmU1OWQzZjU2ZDIxMmM4OTBjMGM2NDQ3YWEzNTUz It has a adjustable gas block with two settings, smaller opening and larger opening. Conversely an expanding supersonic bullet will create substantially more trauma than non-expanding supersonic bullets or expanding subsonic bullets. OGJhNzU0ZDAyNmMyMDExZWRhOTJmMGM4NDllNjUwODgxZmE1NDljYTRjOGYx by 2bad4u2 Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:17 pm, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. Even though you may not be sneaking through houses in Syria, being able to walk around or hunt without EarPro and not have to worry about your hearing if you take a shot has significant advantages. text-align: center; Router Jig Extreme (compatible with any AR caliber). You are supposed to shoot super Sonic on the lower setting and use the higher one for shooting subsonic without a suppressor. You seem to have found a sweet setup in this article that does not have any feed issues. Lucky or good Im not really sure which, but Ill take it. The farther down the barrel the gas port is located, the lower the pressure will be by the time the bullet passes the port and the gas enters the port. I like it especially in the shorter guns, and, around here at least, its looked on as an effective Whitetail cartridge choice. user-select: none; OK, so it is a ridiculous thing to open up ports and basically ruin perfectly good barrels. So if youre set on trying out 300 Blackout yourself, complete a build with your own 80 percent lower receiver today with an easy to use universal. MWZhMzE4M2MxNmUzYTg2YmQxN2ZjMWFjOWY0ZWFjYThkZTNjZjU0NzJiZGEy For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. If you do plan on shooting suppressed or aiming at targets within short distances then proceed with the 300 blackout platform. Posted April 10, 2019 in Ammunition, AR-15, Editorial, Subsonic Ammunition by Pete with No CommentsTags: 300 BLACKOUT, 300blk, Subsonic, supersonic, When we last left you, the discussion of choosing either subsonic or supersonic ammo for your 300BLK defensive weapon was in a full-on firefight. Gain a deep knowledge of ballistic science and access our improved ballistic calculator. Supersonic rounds are the standard rounds most shooters are familiar with as they are the more practical rounds for most applications compared to subsonic rounds. There is Barnes RRLP in 300 BLK, though it may end up as LE/Mil only. Given an option, a little larger-diameter gas port adds more assurance that a subsonic will work through an otherwise supersonic setup. Not sure, probably standard buffer and buffer spring ? If you are going to reload the 6.8 is a much better wildcat supersonic round for the AR. Btw: Supersonic ammo is also a really bad idea because of the VERY loud report and large muzzle flash. eyJtZXNzYWdlIjoiMDc2MjAyNzUzMDYxOWMyOGNiMTAyYTBjMWQ0N2UxNDQ2 I dont like that I need a tool and I hope someone makes one that is finger adjustable or at least adjusted by using a round. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. If someone wants to build up an upper that could run both super-and subsonic, theres going to be some parts mods involved before the cartridge switch. . From experience the .300blk subsonic is an amazingly fun round to shoot suppressed and it's the only way to shoot it reliably, but it's well worth it! The information provided here does not represent the views of Cheaper Than Dirt! MmQ0NGIwYWY0ZDkzMjQ3MTA3YjE5MTM0ZDFkNzFjZmU4YTNkODkwNGE5YWFl Some specialize in long range shooting and some are biased toward short range stuff. And a small percentage of you claimed that using a 300BLK AR15 in a life or death situation was nothing more than a mall ninjas wet dream. We utilize state of the art 5-axis CNC machines to mill all our .308 and AR-15 80 percent lower receivers to incredibly precise tolerances using premium billet aluminum. Ballistically I agree that the 300BLK doesn't outperform much of anything when it comes to 16" and unsuppressed, but it kills deer out to at least 200 yards just fine, and that's what I want. -webkit-user-select: none; Some have higher or lower cost per round for factory or reloads. So while someone may not be able to pinpoint where they are being shot at from, they're still going to be very aware that they ARE being shot at. _hester_ 6 yr. ago Yeah, but have there been measurements taken without a suppressor? Interested in picking up your own, Pandemic pricing is not over yet so if you are already an AR-15 owner, it's won't take much more for you to be able to start shooting 300 BLK. SILENCER SATURDAY #37: Subsonic 300BLK Shootout. We want you, our readers, to be able to make informed decisions. I also have not put many thousands of rounds through it and I havent checked it for wear. line-height: 1.5; If you do plan on shooting suppressed or aiming at targets within short distances then proceed with the 300 blackout platform. font-weight: 400; It won't be a huge difference though, and both will be loud indoors. Most factory .300 Blackout subsonic loads are a little more powerful than a routine .45 ACP handgun loading, if were going on (the admittedly incomplete) calculated energy figures. JavaScript is disabled. } by 300Blk Fri May 27, 2011 10:17 am, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. Unique powders optimized for subsonic use result in a low flash signature, ideal for either suppressed or unsuppressed performance. [emailprotected], Reduced risk of over penetration from a pass through projectile. I killed 2 deer this season with my 16" 300BLK. by 300Blk Fri May 27, 2011 9:36 am, Post Subsonic 300 Blackout has some of the best terminal ballistics of any subsonic round. The first question to consider before you ask if you ought to use 300 blackout supersonic vs subsonic is whether or not you plan on shooting suppressed. If I could not go suppressed, I'd pick another caliber. Maybe a greater margin of error for nicking a vital organ as a result of larger bullet expansion. text-align:center; Designed for the purpose of close quarter combat for Special Forces, .300 BLK excels greatly with short barrels (barrels as short as 9 inches) and dispenses .30 caliber projectiles with a greater muzzle velocity than 7.62x39 mm which creates a larger wound cavity. Pretty much, its for those who want a bigger bullet in an AR-15 with a minimum of technical distractions (some call them problems). Reloading lets you use most all of the bullet types from 110 grains to 175 grains or so. NzAxZTZjNWI1YTkzYjU4MzU0Nzc0YTU2MjFmMmYyNGQ0OTk3N2ZmN2QzYmZh 300 BLK has been considered a rather expensive round even before the logistical infrastructure was swamped and manufacturing capabilities were struck by limited staff and astronomical demand. .223/5.56 is what you should buy. Factory ammo is unreasonable high, but reloads can be as cheap as 223. I cut a couple even with my shorter gas system on the subsonic. The 300BLK is a very capable rifle in the 16 inch configuration and can take any 4 or 2 legged animal that either the 7.62X39 or the 6.8 can in normal shooting ranges of up to 300 yards. M2UyMzRiN2ZjNmVlNjc2MzVhZWYxY2YyZTc3NThhMDkyMjY3YjllMDhkNGJm The only reason I can think of is that your suppressor is not on, and you accidentally shoot subsonic at a bad guy, and your gun jams. If youve chosen 300BLK to help accomplish this goal, youre on the right track. In a possible third part of the series, Im considering asking a few hunters and invasive species control experts (wild hog eradicators) for their opinion. If you want to be ninja quiet, then shoot subsonics. It just so happens that my SOT has such a range and allows me to shoot my 300 BLK subsonics but not supers. Suppressed .300Blk is under 120db and easily hearing safe. The last one is especially critical in the context of the 2021 market for firearms, accessories and ammunition. These two factors make suppressed supersonic rounds very effective and an attractive choice in confined close quarter environments. - And the Mode 3 screw allows a varied amount to gas to be used in cycling, and the correct amount of gas (and the setting of the AGB) is dependent on correct cycling, using the procedure outlined on page 35? If you want a combat rifle with a hard-hitting round, .300blk has you covered. Supersonic is your traditional rifle round. Honestly, my main interest is in the short, subsonic, suppressed, select fire 300 black. So, despite what Ive heard from many theorizing, you really cant run supersonic and subsonic loads through the same gun, with no modifications having been made to the gun. 300 Blackout Subsonic Subsonic rounds hold one key advantage, they run really quiet when suppressed. OWEyN2JmMTE0ZGM2MzkxYjdhZDc1N2EzYzNhOGQzY2I4NDNkNTJkYjI1MDcy So whether you're hunting hogs, punching holes in targets, or just playing pretend in your basement, we aren't here to judge. These lowered stats can result in unethical game kills and can lead to animal suffering even if you think you made a clean shot. The 7.62x39mm is another that can be made to be a great subsonic cartridge (but most factory ammo is supersonic). Does some damage with Barnes vor-tx bullets. Introducing the latest products from the worldwide leader in ammunition. I hope this was helpful, cheers. Suppressing a supersonic round does a great job of protecting your hearing, but you'll never get the Hollywood effect. In keeping with this motif, an AR-15-style bolt carrier works best with subsonic. One reason for its popularity is the supersonic/subsonic option. Kind of like haircuts: they can take it off but cant put it back. Done like that, the relatively tiny amount of fast-burning propellant behind that honking .30-caliber bullet gets put to work effectively because the pressure at the gas port is higher. Depending on the load, some 300 blackout subsonic rounds are quiet enough to comfortably use without ear protection. That really all has to do with bullet design/bullet engineering. One reason I could think of is for using your AR on an indoor range that is limited to pistol calibers. Before i got a 6.8, a 16" .300 unsuppressed was my primary hunting rifle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh7Apv8YyVM?t=5m39s. I think that's what OP is after. Supersonic 300BLK can have nearly three times the kinetic energy as a subsonic 300BLK. NTRjMTE3YWRjMTFiZjU2ZjY3NWM2NjIzMjMzOTIyNTU2MzcxODIzNjViMmQw "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because. Supersonic ammo can be used with a suppressor device to trap the gasses that exit the muzzle, but it wont be any good for the sound of the projectile splitting the sound barrier. .300 Blackout subsonic is not ideal for medium to long range hunting, as the velocity and kinesthetic shock is greatly lowered from the supersonic. Powders are selected for optimal performance and consistency from lot to lot. Most factory .300 Blackout subsonic loads are a little more powerful than a routine .45 ACP handgun loading, if we're going on (the admittedly incomplete) calculated energy figures. Hornady Subsonic Ammunition doesnt have the loud report of a supersonic round, and paired with a suppressor, its even quieter. - So, the Mode 1 set screw, fully inserted, allows the maximum amount to gas to be used in cycling the weapon? Running subsonic through my purpose-build supersonic blackout required changing a different buffer and a shortened spring and it runs, but its sluggish. If you don't have any experience with a suppressor I recommend you do your homework on the different models as cost doesn't always mean best sound suppression or quality. It may not display this or other websites correctly. In terms of ballistics and terminal performance, supersonic is where 300 BLK really shines, especially in SBRs, and especially compared to 5.56 for short to mid-range use. Use factory loads and factory brass for reloading. Others chose faster and lighter rounds because its a rifle, not a pistol. The speed of sound (in reference to how it travels through air, like a bullet) is approximately 1,100 feet-per-second (fps) at sea level. I had been considering the .300 Blackout for a while too. The .300blk round has skyrocketed in popularity the past decade. -----BEGIN REPORT----- ODdjMzY2OGY3ZTFlNmE1NzZmODA4NTY2MjM5YzAwNTRjMTc1MTdiZTkzZjE0 And! My pro shop at the range had no idea what was going wrong, they had me try different ammunition, including supersonic to make it work. I keep seeing guys new to the 300 BLK on other forums asking about how to open gas ports to reliably run subs without a suppressor and I just don't get it. It's that quiet. TNVC/NGI Giveaway: 15 winners with over $7000 worth of prizes!! We posted another video from Class 3 Ordnance a little while ago where he shot a 7.5 Adams Arms Tactical Elite Upper with and without a silencer (find article HERE ). SwedishMoose 3 mo. Go 300blk pistol. ZWQ5ZjU3NDlhM2VmNTg2NmYzZmJkOGM2YjFlNzU5MzQ2YTljNzhmNDBhYjc4 Share your tips in the comment section below. Frangible is best for the indoor range. The price of subsonic 300 BLK now averages $1.15 - $2.85 per round (Consider this cost if you plan on using subsonic 300 BLK to shoot follow up shots rapidly on target). vertical-align: middle; by jason Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:58 pm, Post Almost forgot about ammo. So while many believe .45 ACP to be the mighty fist of God, we know today that pretty much ALL handgun rounds are pretty terrible at stopping threats.
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