What I'm getting at is that so many people have said so many things over the years and so often, information has been confused, mis-stated, misconstrued and people have projected something as fact when there has been no evidence to support it or any finding of proof. The instance of the book saying that Dean Moorehouse lived at Cielo is unforgivable because it is errantly misleading, pure and simple. "That was Sharon. Either way it's impressive. The next morning when he heard about the murders, he was worried his son was among them. According to author Tom O'Neill, Hatami first shared his Charlie encounter story with possible CIA agent Reeve Whitson. It was the nation's top-secret film studio that produced more films (moon landing backup films) in one year than all the film studios in the L.A. area combined. This contradicted Melchers testimony that after his May 1969 visit to Spahn Ranch he never saw Charlie again.I bring these last points up to show that ONeills book should be taken seriously for the information it contains from documents and from people close to the case. There's about a 6 minute long clip on YouTube put up a couple of months ago of Hurst telling the story of delivering the bike to Cielo, he talked about meeting Sebring at the front door when he knocked and dropping Abigail's new bike off in the garage and taking another one back to the store, I'd have to listen again to see what time he claims but obviously the time he gave at the time of the murders is probably going to be more accident since hardly any time has elapsed. Extended interview: 50 years after the Manson - The Georgia Straight Average Age & Life Expectancy Reeve Whitson lived 9 years shorter than the average Whitson family member when they died at the age of 63. Did CIA use LSD to create Charles Manson's madness? I also was conscious of not rehashing and repeating myself, especially when many of the issues that were brought up, I'd commented on endlessly over the past 4 years. There was no reason to send him back.until there was.Anybody on parole would be arrested immediately and sent back to prisonClearly that is not true. I can't say if that means anything with regard to conspiracy or governmental involvement, but parole violations require neither crime nor conviction. If he worked for Bugliosi I don't remember his name being mentioned in his book, unless it was just a sentence and I've forgotten it.BTW, Hatami took many pics of Sharon at Cielo Drive. Seems like his job was to insinuate himself into every possible source of information. The similarities include a close relationship with Manson, the desert ranches, Skorzeny, drugs, a probable link to a very secret CIA division, and he was a killer. If I had, they probably would have run to a lot more posts than the many that certain of the threads did ! It's a strange coincidence. Shahrokh Hatami of course hahahahahahaha. I saw footage of Manson the other day claiming he'd gone up to the Tate house before Chapman arrived to "see what my children had done." William Weston said "according to the Marie Vigil letters, the man who left the eyeglasses was Robert Linkletter. They weren't even in the same vicinity while True lived at the house next door.And personally, I wouldn't read O'Neill's book unless someone bought it for me and gave it to me. It should have been MPK 308. Border Patrol agents finally breached the door about 40 minutes to an hour later when a staff member gave them a key. You should have a read of it if you haven't already, with particular attention given to the testimiony of Terry Melcher and Dean Mooorehouse.That Moorehouse had been to Cielo while Melcher lived there in the summer of '68 is no secret. A police report said that Bobby and Harvey were hippies, users of drugs, and car thieves. In a Rolling Stone article, Paul Krassner wrote, "I had hoped to get confirmation of the heaviest lead in my research. This is the third time. I've thought to myself many times:what if one of those girls would have come over and talked with me, would I have "followed-her-around? That is assuming I outlive him. Bugliosi wrote that it was after Melcher moved out, meaning in January 1969.I found Moorehouse in the phone book and gave him a call. It might have been more accurate to say that Hatami said the name once and Bugliosi said it three times, but I don't see how O'Neill could have put that in his text without appearing overly pedantic. Dr Paul Andrews, a CIA physician, woke up with permanent brain injuries without any physical infliction. He said it was Reeve who brought him to Bugliosi during the investigation. Yeah everything's okay, just some stuff I've gotta get thru. None of them saw the scene in the daylight and none of them saw the place again after they'd left Cielo. The Reeve Whitson character is intriguing, and I just don't know what to make of Sharon Tate's father. Would he be sent back to jail for speeding ? Why did he not warn his friends Roman, Sharon and Jay? A.F.S., Colonia Dignidad, von Braun, Kissinger, Ruby, and Giancana are some of the major players. Retweets. Since O'Neill's sources said that Whitson was in the house after the murders but before the police came, O'Neill draws the conclusion that Whitson was Manson's partner. I am also considered an information hoarder. I can't imagine Paul Tate lauding someone who could have prevented his daughter's death. Did he mention Tex ? "Speaking of Linkletter, Whitson introduced them to the more famous father:A Strange and Wild Place, by Sandra Macpherson c.2004pg211"Alistair and his wife had come across Reeve while they were in America, and were introduced to well-respected and known individuals, who were also caught up in Reeve's vision. 8. Grim saidSanders is right.The first Tate homicide report states exactly what Sanders says in your quote. But his daughters ? We know that Moorehouse was convicted in 1991 of "lewd and lascivious acts on a child under 14." Family, friend, or fan, this family history biography is for you to remember Reeve Whitson. At the same time he was befriending CIA agent Reeve Whitson, Manson was also meeting with Charles Winans, an operative from Naval Intelligence. He got a call from Reeve Whitson at 7:00 in the morning, a full NINETY minutes before Winifred Chapman arrived at the Cielo houseYou do realize that if this is true, that Hatami witheld crucial information from the Police, went on the stand and testified in a trial and basically stood by while someone was tried and sentenced to death and now is happy for all the world to know this !However, I am not disputing O'Neill's sources. This comment has been removed by the author. And even then I might not look at it for 5 years. He was involved in the two Kennedy assassinations as well as the MLK assassination, the CIA in Operation Bluebird, biker gangs and worked at Lookout Mountain Air Force Station at the top of Laurel Canyon. My desire is to share info about Whitson and my friend's father to discover the alias her father was using back then. According to Sanders, p. 197, Hurst came between 6:30 and 7:00. But can you tell me where you read that Mike Deasy attacked Charles Manson with a pitchfork at Spahn's Ranch?I've never said that I read this. I've used it myself. But you can get some meaty details right here. He was also connected with WW II Nazis, especially Skorzeny, construction, the Mafia bosses Trafficante, Giancana, Ruby, he was an ace pilot, flew weapons and people into and out of Cuba, Central and South America. And that was after he'd already been mentioned by VB.He said it was Reeve who brought him to Bugliosi during the investigationVery interesting the way you put that. ", Lol "an impressive list of witnesses who vouch for him", all I see is one firmer film company president saying only "he knew about the Manson case", "Richard and Rita Edlund" whoever the fuck they were, Neil Cummings "a lawyer friend" of Whitsons (again WOW!! It's not like the Moorehouse affair which is plain wrong. I'm almost endlessly fascinated by the number of people who seem to have made it their life's mission to discount the overwhelming evidence that demonstrates that for the most part, things were as they were shown to be. CIA was all over the first famous killer, Manson, like flies on shit. EL-KABONG! Did you have a police officer contact him, or did you contact him by phone?MR MUSICH: I object to the question as immaterial, your Honor, how he got thereQ:Just foundatiorial, your HonorA: I learned about the existence of Mr. Hatami from Rudy Altobelli, and at that time I contacted the LAPD and I told them to find Hatami and bring him to my office. grimtraveller,It's not a problem for me for you to be Skeptical of me.If you're not interested what I tweet on Twitter about The Charles Manson Family & Saga, again, no problem for me.Thanks for your replies back to me.Mario George Nitrini 111-------The OJ Simpson Case. ZLR 694 belonged to Sharon's CamaroI'm generally pretty unforgiving of errors in books and it's even more annoying when I happen to know the info that is wrong. "Thanks Grim,Another, more serious, error in HS, p. 49, is that it gives the license plate of Parent's car as ZLR 694. He had none. And it just so happens to be from a case that has given rise to so many alternative theories and conspiracies and not a great deal of consensus about anything. Hopefully I can get on in the next couple of days. William Alexander " Rip " Robertson Jr. (August 3, 1920 - December 1, 1970) [1] was a Central Intelligence Agency Case Officer in the 1950s, 1960s and 1970. When I went to The Fireside Inn that night to see him play his guitar & sing, there were 4 girls oowing & ahhhing with his every move. O'Neill said he got his copy of the book from another journalist. That's one of the reasons that there is so much wrong info out there on this subject and why so many ridiculous theories abound and so much importance is placed on anything that appears to be new and vital.So, with all that in mind, just where would information pertaining to Dean Moorehouse molesting his daughters have come from ? After reading Chaos, I find Wilson to be a very compelling figure in the Manson case. He'd get arrested, that's all.That makes absolutely no senseIt makes abundant sense. endstream endobj 78 0 obj <>/Metadata 16 0 R/Outlines 28 0 R/PageLabels 73 0 R/Pages 75 0 R/StructTreeRoot 29 0 R/Type/Catalog/ViewerPreferences<>>> endobj 79 0 obj <. But here's the thing. I applaud Tom O'Neil for his extreme efforts to find the truth. Mr. O'Neil proposes that Charlie may have been used as a pawn to catch bigger fish, this theory alone really makes this story much bigger. Someone above kept insisting he "popped up out of nowhere." The FBI files tell a clear . Krenny later testified that she was sure the American Flag on the sofa wasn't there during the murders.And the scene was littered with marijuana and cocaine, even though no residues of those drugs were found in the body fluids of the dead.I am now thinking those items were planted at the scene to subtly demonize the victims and to enable police to go off on their sham 'drug burn' diversion. The Hatami incident would not have taken on such magnitude for them {other than the fact that Bugliosi tried to use it to establish that Manson had seen Tate and vice versa} if Tex and Charlie had been such regular visitors while a Family accolyte actually lived there. Can you put up Hursts testimony in order to settle who was right, Sanders or Bugliosi?Sanders is right.The first Tate homicide report states exactly what Sanders says in your quote. They were estranged at the time and that was the only way for him to track her. Mario George Nitrini 111 saidPlease check-out the comments from this blog-post "leave-something-witchy" pertaining to comments by myself, Bobby, & Ms Katie regarding "The Construction Site"I did read that at the time. LOL. I can't imagine Candace Bergen allowing that.But that's just me.. Katie I remember reading that Moorehouse molested his daughters, he is the worst kind of person. "pg203John Irvin, British film director: "Whitson had very good connections with the Los Angeles Sheriff's Office. This is a bit off topic. The Manson Family Blog - Tate LaBianca Murders - TLB - True Crime Grim said"Ask yourself what it logically means to have "witnesses that vouch for Whitson's presence in the scene." John Irvin interview THE FLASHBACK FILES That said, in some cases it's understandable.In the case of Bugliosi's book, the errors regarding the Hearst bike delivery times and the Parent/Sharon car registrations aren't ones that I regard as serious. The Manson Family Blog - Tate LaBianca Murders - TLB - True Crime He was living with his parents in Los Angeles. "Hatami told me he has no memory at all of Manson coming to the front door of Cielo Drive, but that the memory was suggested to him by an investigator named Reeve Whitson, who worked for both Col. Paul Tate and the prosecutor Vince Bugliosi." The only reference to a Reeve Whitson online is to a CIA operative active in central America in the '80s. Since Reeve was a CIA agent posing as a hippie, he would have been among the hippies in the van. I actually have been checking in most days since May. What mystery within a mystery gnaws at you the most? : r - Reddit And Reeves Witson, a friend of Mr. Hatami, and Mr. Hatami, appeared in my office.Q:Do you recall the date?A:NoQ:Do you recall the time of day?A:I think it was around noon if I'm not mistakenand finally:KANAREK:All right, now, did you cause Mr, Hatami's conversation with you to be recorded?BUGLIOSI:NoQ:Did you cause a stenographic reporter to come in and take down any notes concerning your conversation with Mr. Hatami? Speaking of Dean Moorehouse at Cielo Drive, I thought the following quotes in Tom O'Neill's article "The Holes in Helter Skelter" show that he was indeed at the house but during the summer of 1968I think you'll find that it was at Dennis Wilson's that Dean had some kind of residence during the summer of '68. He didn't "bring" Hatami. I certainly wouldn't play the game of being a tease but if I did, I wouldn't be irritated if people didn't take what I said with any great seriousness. It didn't seem to be a secret when it should have been A search of Whitson's extended acrobatic family shows a connection with the OSS, and CIA in their foreign travels with the USO. What's very interesting to me is why was Charlie, a career criminal ON PAROLE, repeatedly released when arrested with drugs, prostituting young girls, possession of stolen property, speeding and leaving the state. L`L,3`v]fUn,^/ {N n^{a "2d`5`,/ f30ul#9@ o+ I wonder where Moorehouse got a baby grand. Has anyone considered the possibility that Whitson was working for Peter Folger (Abigails Dad)?We know Mr. Folger was having Abigail watched by private detectives because he was very worried about her "associations." Studying Scarlet: True Crime: Ep 39 - Apple Podcasts Your own personal encyclopedia or something you had published? Anderson was a known handler of CIA operatives after he left government in the early 60s. My book is easy to read that's the way I intended it to be and that's why I don't want anyone cutting it up. So that got my train of thought going and I looked into it. Grim glad youre back, where have you been?Odd coincidence do you guys know the judge in the Green River Killer, Gary Ridgway was Richard Jones, Quincy Jones brother. I find that hard to believe.In Krenwinkel's first parole hearing, she pretty much said she didn't remember anything about that night except chasing down Gibby. Ridgway is another scumbag who will never adequately pay for his crimes, that is unless he gets tied to some murders here in Portland. !A beating within an inch of his life! When they got to Cielos gate, he started asking weird questions about the cars in the lots. He'd been talking to Gregg Jacobson about a race war {known then as "the shit is coming down" but it was very general} since they first met in May of '68. Is Moorehouse still alive? He also knew Charles Manson. Krenwinkel did not see the flag on the couch. My book, CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties, covers a lot of ground, police and prosecutor corruption, secret and mostly illegal government counterintelligence operations against American citizens (like the CIA's MKUltra and CHAOS, and the FBI's COINTELPRO), and, yes, the Manson Family murders of 1969. I wonder if some of you are so dismissive because your default position is to be skeptical, so you're not actually letting the information in. Convicted, yeah, I can see that. Reeve finally returned home late that night, but never said where he was during the hours he was missing.Whitson told Frank Rosenfelt, former president and CEO of MGM, that he met Manson before the murders at Cielo Drive, and the murders could have been prevented, but no one in law enforcement would listen to him. Was Charles Manson a CIA lab rat? | by Justin Ward | Medium Little Paul ?If I come across as harsh, I don't mean to. What ONeill said was that Whitsons name appeared four times, all during Hatamis testimony. When you have what Hatami testified and what Bugliosi testified regarding Hatamis testimony and gather these statements together under the aggregate phrase Hatamis testimony, then you can see that ONeill was not careless in how he represented his source. Shahrokh Hatami, Tate's personal photographer, admits to O'Neill that he learned of the murders by telephone, from an intelligence agent named Reeve Whitson, ninety minutes before the police were even called to the scene. "ThanksMario George Nitrini 111-------The OJ Simpson Case. Ill bet Sanders is correct. Did Statman swipe it from Lt Deemer when she stole all the other stuff from his house? There's a clip on YouTube of him explaining away his crimes to a reporter, everything is poor me, no one ever gave me any help, I just thought I'd try out some fantasies, etc, he's a sick sick dude, I agree with you on Kay, I'd like to sit down in a bar one night and listen to some stories, he seems like a really nice guy, Article I wrote a few months ago fills in some blanks on Reeve Whitson from 1967-1977:https://zodiackilleridentified.com/2021/07/I have another article of his career from 1977-1989 which is even more enlightening. J. Edgar Hoover's directive to his agents said this: 1. Red sold drugs in L. Canyon and knew Manson, Zappa, Yarrow, Cass, Tate, Polanski, and the rest of the musicians well. I had high hopes when I read that O'Neil had spent twenty years researching the Manson murders, but the book reads like a confession of failure. They do a lot of illegal, ugly things against man's law, and against God's law. In January the actual mechanics of HS were barely formulated in Charlie's mind. WG specifically remembered that. "*Winifred Chapman, presumably.Greg King's book quoting BUGLIOSI : Mrs CHAPMAN told police investigators that it had simply been placed on the back of the couch as a decorative touch a few weeks earlier .Sharon Tate Remembered by Sheila WellsThe red, white and blue nursery colors reminded me of reading about the murder scene and how there was an American flag draped over Sharon's sofa. (For his part, in an interview with Mr.Hatami while researching this book, Hatami told me he has no memory at all of Manson coming to the front door of Cielo Drive, but that the memory was suggested to him by an investigator named Reeve Whitson, who worked for both Col.Paul Tate and the prosecutor Vince Bugliosi. According to Bugliosi, p. 85, the time was between 7:30 and 8:00. William Weston said Hatami also told ONeill that he first heard about the murders from Reeve. Reeve Whitson was born on March 25, 1931. Reeve Whitson (1931 - 1994) - Biography and Family Tree - AncientFaces He was not very intelligent an IQ around 85 he was a savant to murder instinctively knew how to kill and get rid of bodies. Mario George Nitrini 111 saidnice to see you're in top form being skeptical about me..lolI am, if nothing else, consistent on that !In all seriousness though, the dictionary definition of sceptical is "not easily convinced; having doubts or reservations. It's the inevitable outcome of the crypic utterances. And when he did, he did it for things that were legally enforceable {dubious source of income, not reporting his whereabouts, aided by the suspicions of LASO that he was involved in car theft and was therefore being watched}. While I'm impressed by the civility here, it surprises me that so many people are dismissive of Reeve Wilson's role. Melcher moved out in January '69 and the day after he moved out, Moorehouse was sent to prison for selling acid ~ he'd been found guilty on Dec 17th '68.Vera: Where'd ya learn that, Grim? According to Bugliosi, p. 85, the time was between 7:30 and 8:00. officials, KKK, Satanists, Dixie Mafia, Project Bluebird, and MKULTRA, Lookout Mt. A:Right, there was ro reporterThe most immediate thing to notice is that Hatami only mentions Whitson once and even then, only because he's asked who he came to Bugliosi's office with. "I agree. In the case of Sharon's car, it didn't really matter because the book came out 3 years after the perps were convicted, 5 years after the crime was solved. Reeve Whitson? Ridgeway was an asshole, there was a great part during his trial where one of his victims father's stands up in open court and forgives him and Gary breaks down weeping uncontrollably, it's heartbreaking on both sides, Beauders in an interesting twist to the Ridgeway/Green River case detectives Dave Riechert and Bob Keppel went to Florida to interview Ted Bundy since alot of his victims were in the same area and killed in similar ways, this was fairly early in the case in 1984 and one of the first things Bundy recommended was staking out a fresh dump site and watch it for a few days and that Ridgeway would be back to interact with the corpse which was one of the hallmarks of Bundy's crimes and was also exactly what Ridgeway was doing. I don't advocate people calling you names as has happened on this and another site and in fact, as you know, I defend you on that. Reeve Whitson of Ireland in action during his singles match on the final day of the Boys Home Internationals at Hankley Common Golf Club on August 6,. This is the first time Whitson comes up during Hatami's period under oath;BUGLIOSI: Do you recall coming into my office, Mr. Hatami, about a half a year ago?A:YesQ:On the fifth floor of the Hall of Justice?A:I don't remember the floor. Shortly after his arrival, the town became the epicenter of a shocking event that almost wrecked the Democratic Party's effort to win back the White House.
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